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haha, I should be doing Chemistry noooope!

Behold, all I've accomplished this week, NOT related to homework!! I keep saying, "I'm going to do something productive to one of my story lines!" and then I just doodle instead. XP Oh well. My brain is too dead to do anything productive.

So this week I did some work with expressions, and then a few details I have issues with.... like how Koty's hair should fall.... the impossibility of drawing curly hair on my guys..... Doing noses at certain angles... and then just.... Zane. Zane and the eternal struggle of whether he should have facial hair or not. I've been fighting with this ever since I picked up on drawing humans again early last year..... *le sigh*
Then a random original version of Florian because I felt like it. (Well, slightly re-vamped original version.....) ((Such a long story behind the origins of Florian's character, maybe I'll explain someday in a quirky fashion, BUT ALAS NOT NOW!))
Also need to formally introduce Kalla at some point... She's on my "Ask" list, but I've never actually introcuded her. X'D ((One of the 3 mains in Proper Villainy ))

Zane with Pocahontas hair though..... that's the scariest thing I've drawn for a long time. It's just... not right. |8I
lol, and little bitty Zoo ranting about how he's going to kill everyone... Yeah right.


Best thing on here other than Fab Zane, I think, are the three I did of Zeb at the bottom of the expressions sketches. That would pretty much be his face through all of Politically Incorrect once he got to America if I ever drew it out. >.>



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:iconchrissyissypoo19:
Chrissyissypoo19 Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Professional General Artist
Um....the spine is weirded out Sooooo....just happened to come across someone mentioning me in a comment after coming back from Walmart, and it brought me to here. And after looking through the art piece, my first reaction was kinda like...."Look on to the stars, spine Um...Hi Andre? Fancy seeing you here???" I just...I don't know how to feel right now urm to be honest, I'm kinda confused, anxious, and agitated because the similarities between my original character, that I've been working on for over 6 years, are not even a little subtle....I don't want to be that person to be like, "Hey, that's my OC don't steal!" But these characters of mine are part of my future into my major and career. So I am just taking precautions and am going to list the things that are bothering me.

1.) The hair is EXACTLY not just very...but EXACTLY the same.
2.) The facial features, are not even a little bit different, especially the eyes and the cheek bones. ( I don't know if you know this, but the reason, Andre's cheeks and eyes are portrayed like that is because he is deathly ill. That is usually one of the only reasons why someone would look so emaciated. So unless, your character is the same, I would recommend a different technique of shading and linework, and I would be very happy to show you how :) As one art friend to the next.)  
3.) The color scheme is exactly the same, but I'm not too worried about that since there are other characters out there with the exact same colors. However, this does not help ease my mind since the design itself is identical. 
4.)I've gone through your gallery, and I've looked for this character, and never came across him. I believe, I recall asking about him before, because of the same issues, and you said he was an old character. That's fine. It's just soooooooo extremely coincidental that this "old" character suddenly made an appearance the moment I begin remastering a novel that I had wrote along with illustrations that seem to mimic everything. 
5.) The characteristics and personality are identical as well. Sure they aren't wearing the same exact outfit, but I can also dress him in a hoodie and call him an OC. The similarities in this department, however, that concern me are...-Andre lost his wife, your character is also a widower...-The violin is involved with both....-They both seem to be extremely moody or pissed all the time. If I didn't know any better, I would say that they are identical twins. What 

Look, I don't want to attack you. You seem like a really nice girl, and we've had some awesome chats together! :D Heck, I even drew you a bit of fan art and added a promotion to it for your gallery. But if you are copying or are purposely taking ideas and inspiration from my gallery, I would very much appreciate some sort of credit. It hurts me a bit, because I worked SO hard on this character for a great amount of my life, and I don't want to see my novel jeopardized , especially when I plan to publish it as soon as I remaster it. Like I mentioned, Andre along with many of my other characters and novels, are my career future. I do hope you understand where I am coming from, and can help explain to me, a reason to help ease my mind. I want to remain friends with you, truly I do, I'm just quite concerned especially with the evidence I've listed.The Spine does another dance 

~Chrissy 
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HugaDuck Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh yeah, and this ---> sta.sh/21s4yqyclg55?edit=1
Stack of paper I just pulled out of my White Roses sketch folder and a whole bunch of Zane.
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Chrissyissypoo19 Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Professional General Artist
Lol nice face ya have thar England (Laughing) [V3] you look so excited. 
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HugaDuck Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I completely understand your concerns, and this was one reason why when I got the urge to draw him again, I wanted to shut it down because I was worried this would happen. I've had similar issues with this character before, and I get sick with anxiety every time, which ensues in me taking long breaks from drawing him. Every time I see something that makes me want to bring him back, it ends in someone coming after me, wondering why I'm copying them or someone else.

Bit about Zane,
Four years ago, I was working on a story line I called, "The Enemy Within" featuring my InvaderZim OCs, Krei, Tozic, Zoo, Snik, and Azillia. Zoo and Snik were originally created by request of friends, but eventually grew to be main characters, side-kicks, if you will, of Azillia, the main antagonist. At the same time, I was obsessed with the violin, and so was the person for whom Snik was created, so she became a violinist. Recently I did a sketch with that involved because of the disgustingly annoying song, "He Plays the Violin" from 1776, but really, Ivory's being able to play violin is as far as the involvement of the violin goes. Eventually, I had Zoo and Snik get into a relationship, and then had Snik killed in the course of the story, creating the second part of the story line, where Zoo was bent on getting revenge.

Three years ago, about, I took my first break from the IZOC fandom, and made human versions for all my IZOC mains. Krei became Koty, whom I draw quite often, Zoo turned into Zane, Snik into Ivory, so forth, so forth. The story line remained much the same, only the antagonistics changed, and Zane lost all of his sleeze that he had as Zoo and became a very solemn, bitter character. The story is called "White Roses" based off of Ivory's full name, Ivory Rose Phelps and the plot being about Zane out for revenge. Much of WR is exactly the same as TEW, concerning things that happen to the characters.
It is a post-apocalyptic setting, thus Zane's rough appearance. The color scheme is a carry over from Zoo, who wore a black jacket, pants shoes, and a white shirt. He had very light skin, thus Zane's paleness.

The reason for the lack of Zane in my gallery is mostly because I cleared it out a short time after Christmas. Over the past few years, I have been back and forth with my human characters and my IZOCs. The majority of my White Roses art was cleared, because it had been a while since I had worked with them. Only McCarthy really shows up because I recently did a full character development with him. However, I have quite a lot of White Roses art buried in my folders and files, if you'd like me to bring it up.

I don't know what it is about Zane, but you are the 4th person I've had a run in with over him. Be it his personality, his looks, his story, I get confronted about him a lot. I have taken absolutely nothing of him from anyone, except for maybe the tattoos he has under his eyes as Zoo, because for some reason, Irkens with tattoos around their eyes spreads like wild fire in the IZ fandom. Apparently, having your wife killed and playing the piano seem to go along with each other quite frequently as well. |:I

Once again, I understand what you're saying and why. However, I can tell you all this, but it's your choice to believe me or not. Not a single bit of him was taken from Andre, which even I find incredible. We seem to have a good handful of things in common, which has made me very anxious and concerned since watching you because the last thing I want it to start drama, especially with me having recently renewed my interest in working with White Roses since the creation of McCarthy, who dragged me back to WR. Another example I hesitate to bring up, is McCarthy himself. He's a Jesuit sent on a mission to a relief group, and winds up with attractions towards one of the nurses, named Kat. He later ends up with a bullet in his shoulder at the end of WR. Some of that sounds kind of familiar, but all of those details, besides the priest part, are taken from my IZOC Elias who was part of the TEW story line.

I know a lot of time has gone into your characters, but I'm being completely honest when I say the same for myself. Zane/Zoo is one of my most pivotal characters, having so much else branched off from his story lines.
I have had my characters ripped off before. When I was in the IZOC fandom, someone made an OC clearly based from my characters, Zoo and Gavin, or at least so it appeared to me.
I've had my art stolen from me before.
I once wrote a paper on the effects art theft has on people, and how much it hurts.
I've had someone take one of my pictures and post it on a tumblr page dedicated to making fun of terrible characters.
I am a very sensitive person, who easily gets sick with the idea of conversation, because I'm constantly terrified that I will somehow hurt their feelings or come off in the wrong fashion.
I would never in a thousand years rip off someone's character or story, ESPECIALLY when the character of mine is in a story line I hope to publish.
I have no explanation for the parallels we've hit, and I really hope you'll take my word for it, because I can't do much else to convince you, especially as we haven't known each other very long.

Zoo's most recent design - picklejelloz.deviantart.com/ar…
Oldest Reff of Zane I have - sta.sh/01capz5hi3pu
Really old terrible art I can't believe I'm even letting you see.... - sta.sh/01ykhq4u72nw
My most recent Zane update, done before I met you-  sta.sh/01uzuxtjk8ag
Then here.. -> picklejelloz.deviantart.com/ga… The 17th, 21st, 23rd and 25th pictures listed are the only other Zane pictures I have up, dating back about a year to the last spurt of Zane I had done, ((after being kicked into drawing him from watching The Iron Giant and seeing characters, Dean and Hogarth's interactions, reminding me of Zane and Ian's in WR ))
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Chrissyissypoo19 Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Professional General Artist
comin in alittle too close there spine Hmmm....I see, so he's originally an Invader Zim OC? Okay okay, I respect that bro. Too cool for you Really I do. I've made my own OCs based on fandoms when I was a younger artist, as well. (Mainly Hetalia because *squeeing* ) Anyway, to just reiterate certain parts of my concerns: I wasn't attacking you, I just wanted some sort of justification. That's it.

Look, darlin'...*gestures with hand* C'mere Hug 2#...I know what it feels like to have art stolen, copied, or worse. (Though that "worst website" one is new to me, heehheh WOA and sounds like a terrible concept! Especially for budding artists!) And it's not just random people who've done this to me as well, it's also been very good and close friends. And I'm very empathetic towards that, I know how it feels. It hurts, a lot. And I would never, NEVER, in my right mind, take someone else's creation or distort them into something, claiming it to be mine. 

I commend you on writing a paper on that! That's quite a stand up idea you have there. But back to the business of what I was trying to tell you, I just was afraid, as you would have been in my situation, about a theft of story ideas. (Even when discussing the story with your other character, my heart began to pound because, once again, it sounded so similar.Llama Emoji-07 (Hopeless or Scared) [V1]  Really, that frightens me.) 

Also, with the anxiety thing, I too have issues with that, in fact I have a prescription for anti-anxiety medication, so yes, I can understand you being anxious but you have to remember there is also the other side too who is anxious. So I will admittedly open up and say I was having anxiety when I saw your art. But that's why I felt I should ask, and explain why. I only wanted to have a better understanding, and have my mind set at ease. Not only that, but when I see other friends of mine commenting about the same issue, it, too, gets me worried. 

However, now that I know the whole back story, I feel slightly better Lovely Shoujo Emoji (Whew Sigh) [V3]  because you didn't intend to make them look so identical or have similar story-lines. I get it, stuff like that happens. I mean if I never knew you, or you weren't watching me, I don't think I would have been as upset. So, I will believe you and take your word for it, okay? Everything is fine. The Spine dances The Spine Approves 

(But if Zane gets TB and Elias becomes a saint then I think we maaay have a problem lol Llama Emoji-01 (Laughing) [V1] )

But seriously though, I'm not asking you to redesign your character, plot, or whatever else, I just wanted a little clarification. I understand your characters mean a lot to you, so you obviously should be aware that mine mean the world to me as well. I've already have an appointment set up for possible publication for Elijah the Healer, and these other stories of mine...(The Unknown Martyr, The Addison Diary, and The Three Little Birds) are next on the chopping block of publication. 

Thank you again, though, for taking the time to understand my side of the situation and concerns. 
I would love to still be yer art buddy Pikachu Piff Plz and am still willing to chat with ya anytime :D 

~Chrissy 
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HugaDuck Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, I understand perfectly clear about the worry and anxiety and all that. I'm not snippy about that, nor do I feel wronged in anyway by all this. I would if they weren't so freakingly similar, but circumstances being as they are, I really can't be upset about it at all. Just really anxious about how in hell I'm supposed to prove I'm not knee deep in art theft when I went and cleared half my gallery about a month and a half ago....

As I said, I've recently made a full transition over from the IZOC fandom. It was probably one of the most brutal communities I've been a part of, simply because of the large range of artists and the lack of canon information about the show. The tumblr page my art was posted to was actually called, "F***-No-IZOCs" if that helps paint the picture. It's dedicated to the high and mighty of the fandom taking (typically 12 year old's art) and making fun of it, then taking it upon themselves to tell the people how they could improve their terribly made characters. I got dinged for having an Irken with religious ideals, which was mainly why I made the switch, so I wouldn't have people breathing down my neck telling me what I could and couldn't do as far as characterization goes.

I thank you for taking the time to read what I had to say and really hope the problem does not persist to something worse. If it helps at all, this morning, I started on updated WR Reff pages and I was planning on incorporating some brown into Zane's color scheme. X'D *shot*

I apologize if any bit of what I said came off snippy, but I was pretty upset at that point. First of all, having someone other than you come at me first about it really scared me. I think it's wonderful that you've got a friend looking out for you like that; she was very concerned for you, but once again, coming from the IZOC fandom, where there's an epidemic of misunderstandings caused by friends and fans rushing to save the day instead of going to the artist and having them confront the problem first, I got really worried and defensive in the bad way. I understand it wasn't like that, but I just about paced a hole into the floor behind me.... XU

Thanks again though, for the patience with me.
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Chrissyissypoo19 Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Professional General Artist
Don't worry, I'm not gonna convict you for art theft or something Nommy smile I just wanted to make sure that we were both on separate pages lol. XDDD 

It's all fine and dandy on my end, I'm just glad I was wrong about it, and I'm happy to have gotten such a detailed explanation, I feel much better about the situation! Adorable Girl Anime Emoji (Double kawaii wink) V6 

If you were snippy, I forgive you for it, but I simply want to maybe ask that you talk to my friend. :iconmsrosered: From what I read, she sounded very concise, mature, and respectful, if not friendly. She did not want to scare you, in fact she said it wasn't an attack.  However, she has relayed to me that she may feel a tad hurt because she feels you might have been, as you quoted, "snippy" towards her. I don't want my DA friends to fight :iconsniffleplz: I love both of you and your art! :biggrin3d: Biggrin 3D 50x50 derp  So if there is any sort of distemper, I hope we can all work this out together. ^^
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HugaDuck Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Already in the process of being assessed.
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Chrissyissypoo19 Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Professional General Artist
Um not really sure what that means, exactly heheh ^^;
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MsRoseRed Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Hey, I don't mean to accuse or anything, but Zane looks VERY similar to Andre from :iconchrissyissypoo19:'s Addison Diary :/ I don't want to make you upset or anything but the similarities are there and it's very hard not to compare the two. I thought it was fanart for the book but I was very surprised to see that it wasn't. Because the two look like identical twins. And I'm just worried for you because if she sees this, if she hasn't already, she might be very upset and think you're copying her. And if you are, then dear, please give some credit. Because to be honest, I've been following her for a very long time and I've watched you recently and this new character you've come up with seemed to come up out of the blue as she was coming up with more sketches from her first story. I'm not doing this to attack you, I'm doing this to maybe warn you that she get very mad. I had a friend that I share with her make gender swapped characters of Elijah and Benjamin from one of her other stories and that brought up a lot of negative feelings. She didn't credit her and claimed them to be original characters. So I don't want to see the same thing happen to you. I know that she has a high respect for you, please consider how she feels about this. Because I've seen her draw fanart for you and credit you. But if you're not going to do the same then this could end badly. You're a great artist and you're very talented but if you take inspiration from other artists, please give credit where credit is due. Sorry if this sounds long winded but she's been hurt like this in the past and I don't think she wants to lose another friend. Thank you for reading and I hope you take what I say to mind just a little. She does respect you a LOT so it would be a major blow to her if she knew that you might be copying her characters. Especially since she's going to be publishing these books and illustrations. 
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HugaDuck Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, I realized I might have future issues when I started watching her and she started watching me and I saw Andre. Zane has been a character of mine for about 3 years now, and his design has not changed much since my first drawing of him. He's also the main character of a story line of mine, that I've been trying to work with more. As I said, I was slightly concerned when I first saw Andre, because he reminded me so much of Zane, and got me wanting to work with him again, but I naturally did not want her to think I was copying the design. I was also more concerned when I read her first version of Andre's story, and he mentioned his deceased wife, and my character Zane as well lost his lover in his story line, elements of which date back to a story I was writing 4 years ago.
I'm sorry, but I will not change his design, as in facial features and hair simply because that is the way it has been for years and was done without any influence from anything else. My most recent update on his appearence can be noted in this deviation, picklejelloz.deviantart.com/ar… which was done before I ran across her art.
Due to a massive clean out I did of my gallery, there are very few early pictures of Zane there, but I can always upload some into my sta.sh to show you if it concerns you further.
I thank you for being civil about this, but would thank you not to further accuse me. I am a very sensitive person and not to act high and mighty, but I always strive to keep other people's feelings in mind and would NEVER copy or steal from someone's design. Art theft is one thing I get the most worked up about, and have had my art stolen, ridiculed, and copied before. I would never in a thousand years do such to someone else. I have often times met people with characters very similar to my own, in fact a good friend of mine has one who's personality and story line are very similar to Zane's (I seem to have a lot of trouble with him..) but all of his design and story line were developed from my own mind and years of work.
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MsRoseRed Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Student Digital Artist
I wasn't trying to accuse you, I was simply worried because I had only seen more recent photos of him. I'm sorry for the confusion I was simply worried because I didn't know a lot about Zane. But please understand that for a newbie watcher like me seeing Zane so soon after seeing more sketches of Andre made me a bit worried. I'm just warning you how she might feel, but I'm not trying to pick a fight or asking you to change him. However, please try to see it from my perspective, I didn't know you had cleaned out your gallery and so Zane seemed to be a new oc. And with all the similarities with the Addison Diary and his, it was hard not to assume they were cut from the same cloth so to speak. Like I said, I'm not attack you, I was just saying that she might be upset. I do hope we can be friends and that you and Chrissy remain friends. Because you seem like a really cool person and I'm down to have fun with a new art buddy. I'm just warning not attacking but I strongly suggest that you talk with her to clear up some of the confusion before this escalates into something much worse. 
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HugaDuck Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I understand, and I'm more than willing to talk with Chrissy. However, I'd appreciate if you'd go to her first and have her come to me directly if there's a problem in the future, to avoid any unnecessary extra drama and possibility of miscommunications. I ask for that out of past experience and do not mean to be rude by asking it.
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MsRoseRed Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Okay, well I wasn't trying to attack I just wanted to make sure everything's okay. I'm sorry if I offended you, that wasn't my intention. 
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HugaDuck Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
No, I apologize, not offended. I probably was more offensive than anything.
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MsRoseRed Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Let's let bygones be bygones and move forward to become friends. Does that sound like a plan my friend? Because you seem like a cool gent and I'm always up for making some new friends. Plus your art is seriously cool. Also thank you for your apology and I really appreciate it <3 I was an Invader Zim fan back in the day. (I could show you some of my old art for it too xDD )
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ahsoka626 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
This is just
I just keep looking at it
How
Expressions
Need
To learn
This wide range
Gorgeousness
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ahsoka626 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Beauty. This is all beauty......
Kat's face....
And McCarthy.....
And Zane....
And all that Kalla.....
Not to mention the ever wonderful Koty.....
Just... Everybody....
And Sam. I love the Sam one. 8I
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HugaDuck Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
lol, well thank you!

And for the love of all things wonderful, change your phone screen background. X'D
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ahsoka626 Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Whyyyyyy nnnnnnnn FINE
To a different Koty picture? X'D
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